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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. How to waste time.</title> <atom:link href="http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/</link> <description>Stefano Forenza - Personal Blog</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:15:59 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Stefano Forenza</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31118</link> <dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31118</guid> <description>@Victor: maybe I should rewrite my writing style then ;-).
By the way, what I meant in the introduction, is that .deb is &lt;em&gt;unpratical&lt;/em&gt; for distributing packages with dependancies not present in the official repositories.
Also, keep in mind we&#039;re talking about end users, that may not know shell commands like &lt;em&gt;dpkg&lt;/em&gt;. Not that command line is bad, but it&#039;s outside the domain we&#039;re discussing about.
Should an end user mess with command line just to get the latest and greatest version of a software ? Sure that may be less stable, but the opposite may be true, and important bugfixes may be included.
Your opinion has been greatly appreciated ! :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Victor: maybe I should rewrite my writing style then <img
src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p><p>By the way, what I meant in the introduction, is that .deb is <em>unpratical</em> for distributing packages with dependancies not present in the official repositories.</p><p>Also, keep in mind we&#8217;re talking about end users, that may not know shell commands like <em>dpkg</em>. Not that command line is bad, but it&#8217;s outside the domain we&#8217;re discussing about.</p><p>Should an end user mess with command line just to get the latest and greatest version of a software ? Sure that may be less stable, but the opposite may be true, and important bugfixes may be included.</p><p>Your opinion has been greatly appreciated ! <img
src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Victor</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31116</link> <dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31116</guid> <description>The bit on Pidgin on getdeb, and how you have to install packages in a particular order... I found that to be highly exaggerated. Or not, depending on what you try to do.
What I do when I install the latest version of Pidgin is just to put all the .debs in a folder then run dpkg -i *.deb in that folder. That seems to work perfectly. Also, if I download a .deb package that requires more packages to be installed, a dpkg -i run with that .deb as the argument will mostly result in a corrupt (unconfigured) installation, but nothing that can&#039;t be fixed with a quick aptitude install -f, and then select a solution that resolves the dependency problem by installing more software instead of removing the one that was just installed (usually the second solution presented).
Piece o&#039; cake! :D</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bit on Pidgin on getdeb, and how you have to install packages in a particular order&#8230; I found that to be highly exaggerated. Or not, depending on what you try to do.</p><p>What I do when I install the latest version of Pidgin is just to put all the .debs in a folder then run dpkg -i *.deb in that folder. That seems to work perfectly. Also, if I download a .deb package that requires more packages to be installed, a dpkg -i run with that .deb as the argument will mostly result in a corrupt (unconfigured) installation, but nothing that can&#8217;t be fixed with a quick aptitude install -f, and then select a solution that resolves the dependency problem by installing more software instead of removing the one that was just installed (usually the second solution presented).</p><p>Piece o&#8217; cake! <img
src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stefano Forenza</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31108</link> <dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:55:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31108</guid> <description>@Marius: I didn&#039;t approach the issue myself, but when thinking about it I foresaw a possible apt-locking problem (if it&#039;s what you&#039;re talking about).
Sure it&#039;s a problem, but I believe it&#039;s overcomeable in a way or another.
From a different point of view, I think that adding a repository with a .deb is an hack itself, so I believe that&#039;s the reason of the need of extending apt-url.
Sadly I can&#039;t help you with that, having never tried to do it myself.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marius: I didn&#8217;t approach the issue myself, but when thinking about it I foresaw a possible apt-locking problem (if it&#8217;s what you&#8217;re talking about).</p><p>Sure it&#8217;s a problem, but I believe it&#8217;s overcomeable in a way or another.</p><p>From a different point of view, I think that adding a repository with a .deb is an hack itself, so I believe that&#8217;s the reason of the need of extending apt-url.</p><p>Sadly I can&#8217;t help you with that, having never tried to do it myself.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stefano Forenza</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31107</link> <dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:48:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31107</guid> <description>@Marius: thanks for pointing out my mistake.
I&#039;m with you on the separate file, interestingly the GUI adds on the sources.list file, that&#039;s why I stuck with that in the command line example.
On a separate note, I regreted having wrote such a lenghty introduction, as it only distracts from what it&#039;s pointed out from rest on the post.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marius: thanks for pointing out my mistake.</p><p>I&#8217;m with you on the separate file, interestingly the GUI adds on the sources.list file, that&#8217;s why I stuck with that in the command line example.</p><p>On a separate note, I regreted having wrote such a lenghty introduction, as it only distracts from what it&#8217;s pointed out from rest on the post.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marius Scurtescu</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31106</link> <dc:creator>Marius Scurtescu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:46:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31106</guid> <description>@Vadim P. and @Stefano, you say that adding a repository using a deb file is really simple.
If that is the case, why is this apt-url support for repositories such a big issue?
Can you send me some pointers on how is this done? I tried doing this in the past and got 90% of the way (putting the repository file into sources.list.d and also importing the key). I got stuck with reloading the package information (apt-get update), not really possible from a post-install script (at least I could not figure it out).
Playdeb, from what I can tell, is not really doing this. It firsts asks you to install a custom version of apturl, and then a separate install for the repo (but no key and no reload). So it is a major hack.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vadim P. and @Stefano, you say that adding a repository using a deb file is really simple.</p><p>If that is the case, why is this apt-url support for repositories such a big issue?</p><p>Can you send me some pointers on how is this done? I tried doing this in the past and got 90% of the way (putting the repository file into sources.list.d and also importing the key). I got stuck with reloading the package information (apt-get update), not really possible from a post-install script (at least I could not figure it out).</p><p>Playdeb, from what I can tell, is not really doing this. It firsts asks you to install a custom version of apturl, and then a separate install for the repo (but no key and no reload). So it is a major hack.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marius Scurtescu</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31105</link> <dc:creator>Marius Scurtescu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:30:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31105</guid> <description>The example you give for importing a key file is wrong, that commands adds a repository.
And I think adding a separate file to sources.list.d is much better than editing sources.lists IMO.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The example you give for importing a key file is wrong, that commands adds a repository.</p><p>And I think adding a separate file to sources.list.d is much better than editing sources.lists IMO.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Peng&#8217;s links for Wednesday,25 March &#171; I&#8217;m Just an Avatar</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31102</link> <dc:creator>Peng&#8217;s links for Wednesday,25 March &#171; I&#8217;m Just an Avatar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31102</guid> <description>[...] Forenza: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. How to waste time. Stefano give us some good info on adding repositories via Apt-URL and why it&#8217;s good news. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Forenza: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. How to waste time. Stefano give us some good info on adding repositories via Apt-URL and why it&#8217;s good news. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stefano Forenza</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31096</link> <dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:22:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31096</guid> <description>@Kirrus: ;-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kirrus: <img
src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kirrus</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31094</link> <dc:creator>Kirrus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:37:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31094</guid> <description>Anyone who has ever worked in tech-support knows, yes, users are idiots. Sorry, but they are :(</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has ever worked in tech-support knows, yes, users are idiots. Sorry, but they are <img
src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stefano Forenza</title><link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-how-to-waste-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31093</link> <dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:15:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=922#comment-31093</guid> <description>@Vadim P.: &lt;em&gt;&quot;which to me means that you think this is some kind of magic these Cydia people came up with for apt. &quot;&lt;/em&gt; Wrong. I was trying to pointing out it&#039;s a trick that anyone can do.
@Jorge: That really make sense in the case of a repository containing packages not includeable in Ubuntu official repositories. What I am missing myself it&#039;s the reason why only those kind of repositories will be accepted for whitelisting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vadim P.: <em>&#8220;which to me means that you think this is some kind of magic these Cydia people came up with for apt. &#8220;</em> Wrong. I was trying to pointing out it&#8217;s a trick that anyone can do.</p><p>@Jorge: That really make sense in the case of a repository containing packages not includeable in Ubuntu official repositories. What I am missing myself it&#8217;s the reason why only those kind of repositories will be accepted for whitelisting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
