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	<title>Comments on: Shuttleworth&#8217;s take on Ubuntu One trademark issue</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-39020</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many good points... yet still, it should not be called Ubuntu One. Ubuntu is free and Ubuntu One is proprietory and there should be clear water between them.

And, Yawn! Yes, yes, yes, we know that Shuttleworth wouldn&#039;t be bankrolling Ubuntu unless there was a return on his investment. Good for him. I hope Canonical makes a bundle supporting Ubuntu. I just want so much for him to be Mr Honest John, but sometimes, instead he comes across as Mr Slippery Simon. Granted it must be a difficult path to steer, keeping the proprietary side functional and heading for profit, while at the same time keeping clear water between it and the &#039;free&#039; Ubuntu.

If Ubunut One ever gets into Debian we&#039;ll know he&#039;s up to no good for sure :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many good points&#8230; yet still, it should not be called Ubuntu One. Ubuntu is free and Ubuntu One is proprietory and there should be clear water between them.</p>
<p>And, Yawn! Yes, yes, yes, we know that Shuttleworth wouldn&#8217;t be bankrolling Ubuntu unless there was a return on his investment. Good for him. I hope Canonical makes a bundle supporting Ubuntu. I just want so much for him to be Mr Honest John, but sometimes, instead he comes across as Mr Slippery Simon. Granted it must be a difficult path to steer, keeping the proprietary side functional and heading for profit, while at the same time keeping clear water between it and the &#8216;free&#8217; Ubuntu.</p>
<p>If Ubunut One ever gets into Debian we&#8217;ll know he&#8217;s up to no good for sure <img src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vadim</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34266</link>
		<dc:creator>Vadim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t use the iFolder on a Ubuntu, heh. At least not without much pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t use the iFolder on a Ubuntu, heh. At least not without much pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Police</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34256</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Police</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 06:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is incredibly naive to expect Mark Shuttleworth to continue to bankroll the Ubuntu project just so you can have your cake and eat it too. Why can&#039;t Canonical make money? None of this changes the fact that YOU CAN STILL USE UBUNTU FOR FREE. 

You want the source to Ubuntu One? Go to &lt;del datetime=&quot;2009-05-26T09:13:01+00:00&quot;&gt;w ww.ifolder.org&lt;/del&gt; . It does exactly the same thing.
Oh I forgot, you are boycotting Novell, therefore you are not interested in a Novell started/backed project. Fundamentalists are sad, angry, lonely and pathetic.

(&lt;em&gt;edit: ifolder.org is the wrong domain, full of ads&lt;/em&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is incredibly naive to expect Mark Shuttleworth to continue to bankroll the Ubuntu project just so you can have your cake and eat it too. Why can&#8217;t Canonical make money? None of this changes the fact that YOU CAN STILL USE UBUNTU FOR FREE. </p>
<p>You want the source to Ubuntu One? Go to <del datetime="2009-05-26T09:13:01+00:00">w ww.ifolder.org</del> . It does exactly the same thing.<br />
Oh I forgot, you are boycotting Novell, therefore you are not interested in a Novell started/backed project. Fundamentalists are sad, angry, lonely and pathetic.</p>
<p>(<em>edit: ifolder.org is the wrong domain, full of ads</em>)</p>
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		<title>By: Vadim</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34046</link>
		<dc:creator>Vadim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, WebKit derives from KHTML, and yes, Apple too has it&#039;s own, proprietary version of Webkit with features that the OSS one doesn&#039;t have.

I don&#039;t understand your whole fuss since I was replying to &quot;No one ripped off Sourceforge and created a new one. That is my point.&quot;. They did create a new one, and many.

Cheers though, and enjoy the fact that while many users know that Webkit powers Google Chrome and Safari, very few know where it actually comes from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, WebKit derives from KHTML, and yes, Apple too has it&#8217;s own, proprietary version of Webkit with features that the OSS one doesn&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your whole fuss since I was replying to &#8220;No one ripped off Sourceforge and created a new one. That is my point.&#8221;. They did create a new one, and many.</p>
<p>Cheers though, and enjoy the fact that while many users know that Webkit powers Google Chrome and Safari, very few know where it actually comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano Forenza</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34044</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daeng Bo: come on, don&#039;t take it personally. Vadim has strong opinions and the right to express them, just as much as you do.

You made nice points, so your last sentence saddens me a bit. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daeng Bo: come on, don&#8217;t take it personally. Vadim has strong opinions and the right to express them, just as much as you do.</p>
<p>You made nice points, so your last sentence saddens me a bit. <img src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daeng Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34043</link>
		<dc:creator>Daeng Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Is English your first language? Are you intentionally misunderstanding me? No one usurped Sourceforge&#039;s dominance. No one even gave a serious effort, even when the source was available. They didn&#039;t even have the social aspects that Launchpad has to create a network effect.

You probably have some axe to grind, but your view of OSS is myopic and desktop-oriented. Take a look at these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server#History_and_name
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgresql#History

Those links alone should convince you, but in case they don&#039;t, WebKit derives from KHTML, a KDE project and is arguably better than Gecko (though Mozilla IS a non-profit org at this point). Webkit is currently used in Safari and Chrome.

Of course there&#039;s always some connection to money somewhere, but commercialization or dual-license isn&#039;t the only way to go, and the biggest names aren&#039;t tied to any one company. OO.o, in fact, is often criticized for it&#039;s strong tie to Sun.

Enjoy your inevitable rebuttal. I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Is English your first language? Are you intentionally misunderstanding me? No one usurped Sourceforge&#8217;s dominance. No one even gave a serious effort, even when the source was available. They didn&#8217;t even have the social aspects that Launchpad has to create a network effect.</p>
<p>You probably have some axe to grind, but your view of OSS is myopic and desktop-oriented. Take a look at these:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#History" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#History</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server#History_and_name" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server#History_and_name</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgresql#History" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgresql#History</a></p>
<p>Those links alone should convince you, but in case they don&#8217;t, WebKit derives from KHTML, a KDE project and is arguably better than Gecko (though Mozilla IS a non-profit org at this point). Webkit is currently used in Safari and Chrome.</p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s always some connection to money somewhere, but commercialization or dual-license isn&#8217;t the only way to go, and the biggest names aren&#8217;t tied to any one company. OO.o, in fact, is often criticized for it&#8217;s strong tie to Sun.</p>
<p>Enjoy your inevitable rebuttal. I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: Vadim</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34042</link>
		<dc:creator>Vadim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but you&#039;re wrong again. There is LuaForge, GForge, Blender-thing and lots of other *forges that are derived from SourceForge with registration and etc. required for each one.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge_Enterprise_Edition for the history.

Same thing will be with Launchpad - more pain for the user for nothing. And is there a single, absolutely non-commercial and successful OSS project out there? No. All of them involve money in some form or another (firefox via mozilla, ooo via sun, and etc.). Hello, reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but you&#8217;re wrong again. There is LuaForge, GForge, Blender-thing and lots of other *forges that are derived from SourceForge with registration and etc. required for each one.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge_Enterprise_Edition" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge_Enterprise_Edition</a> for the history.</p>
<p>Same thing will be with Launchpad &#8211; more pain for the user for nothing. And is there a single, absolutely non-commercial and successful OSS project out there? No. All of them involve money in some form or another (firefox via mozilla, ooo via sun, and etc.). Hello, reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano Forenza</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34041</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Launchpad has some difference from SourceForge.

It&#039;s nicer :-). And it allows or should allow, decentralized bugtracking collaboration.
That would mean that everyone could have his own bugtracker and make it share bugs and stuff with the main Launchpad.

I see that as something that would encourage replication, but in no way would diminuish the importance of the main launchpad.

I really hope Canonical will have the guts to release it fully and allow such decentralized system to born. I&#039;d like Gnome people to adopt it, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Launchpad has some difference from SourceForge.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nicer <img src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . And it allows or should allow, decentralized bugtracking collaboration.<br />
That would mean that everyone could have his own bugtracker and make it share bugs and stuff with the main Launchpad.</p>
<p>I see that as something that would encourage replication, but in no way would diminuish the importance of the main launchpad.</p>
<p>I really hope Canonical will have the guts to release it fully and allow such decentralized system to born. I&#8217;d like Gnome people to adopt it, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Daeng Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34039</link>
		<dc:creator>Daeng Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sourceforge may or may not currently be open source. I don&#039;t know. I haven&#039;t checked since maybe 2000. It was, however, most certainly open source when it was most popular, and the availability of the source didn&#039;t affect it negatively. No one ripped off Sourceforge and created a new one. That is my point. Launchpad wouldn&#039;t lose anything and would gain the confidence of the community. UbuntuOne is no different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sourceforge may or may not currently be open source. I don&#8217;t know. I haven&#8217;t checked since maybe 2000. It was, however, most certainly open source when it was most popular, and the availability of the source didn&#8217;t affect it negatively. No one ripped off Sourceforge and created a new one. That is my point. Launchpad wouldn&#8217;t lose anything and would gain the confidence of the community. UbuntuOne is no different.</p>
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		<title>By: Vadim</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34037</link>
		<dc:creator>Vadim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sourceforge is not open source. Find me a link to it&#039;s latest version - you&#039;ll fail to locate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sourceforge is not open source. Find me a link to it&#8217;s latest version &#8211; you&#8217;ll fail to locate it.</p>
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