Comments on: Orange icon, we love you http://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/ Stefano Forenza - Personal Blog Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:15:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Konstigthttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-47068 Konstigt Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:52:05 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-47068 Good opionions/suggestions. From the release notes of 10.04, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 Change in notifications of available updates Ubuntu 10.04 LTS launches update-manager directly to handle package updates, instead of displaying a notification icon in the GNOME panel. Users are notified of security updates on a daily basis, but for updates that are not security-related, users will only be prompted once a week. Users who wish to continue receiving update notifications in the previous manner can restore the earlier behavior using the following command: gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false (This change was made in Ubuntu 9.04.) Good opionions/suggestions.

From the release notes of 10.04, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004

Change in notifications of available updates

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS launches update-manager directly to handle package updates, instead of displaying a notification icon in the GNOME panel. Users are notified of security updates on a daily basis, but for updates that are not security-related, users will only be prompted once a week.

Users who wish to continue receiving update notifications in the previous manner can restore the earlier behavior using the following command:

gconftool -s –type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false

(This change was made in Ubuntu 9.04.)

]]> By: mpthttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35296 mpt Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:19:55 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35296 Canonical is a small company, and many issues are handled by only one person. This issue is not unusual in that regard, quite the reverse — it’s unusual in that Mark stepped in as well. I’m not sure what you mean by “refuse that is an issue”. If you mean “deny that it is an issue”, than that’s not correct either: see for example my response to mb_webguy at . On your specific suggestion, we are trying to set a pattern that the far end of the panel is used for status that is long-lasting and persistent — messaging, networking, volume, time/date, and so on. Updates available does not fit into that pattern. I’m not speaking for Canonical here, but my personal opinion is that criticism based on facts is healthy and helps us improve. Criticism based on things that aren’t true doesn’t help anyone. Canonical is a small company, and many issues are handled by only one person. This issue is not unusual in that regard, quite the reverse — it’s unusual in that Mark stepped in as well.

I’m not sure what you mean by “refuse that is an issue”. If you mean “deny that it is an issue”, than that’s not correct either: see for example my response to mb_webguy at .

On your specific suggestion, we are trying to set a pattern that the far end of the panel is used for status that is long-lasting and persistent — messaging, networking, volume, time/date, and so on. Updates available does not fit into that pattern.

I’m not speaking for Canonical here, but my personal opinion is that criticism based on facts is healthy and helps us improve. Criticism based on things that aren’t true doesn’t help anyone.

]]> By: Stefano Forenzahttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35295 Stefano Forenza Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:28:10 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35295 @mpt: ok, agreed. You replied several times. But listening has also a wider meaning, and Canonical is not just you (I could be wrong on the number of Canonical employees involved in the dicussion of such feature, though). “do what their most technical users ask for” btw, is precisely what I'm talking about. You plainly refuse that is an issue for people outside the circle of the 'most technical users'. That has been pointed out many times, and still you (all) don't listen. And by the way, is not that the world comprises only Ubuntu Mom and hackers, there are gradients. I still believe the compromise I'm pointing out in this post may at least alleviate the issue. But maybe you're more interested in taking the conclusion as a direct offense to Canonical and deal with that ? Don't take bloggers too seriously, let them talk. :-) @mpt: ok, agreed. You replied several times. But listening has also a wider meaning, and Canonical is not just you (I could be wrong on the number of Canonical employees involved in the dicussion of such feature, though).

“do what their most technical users ask for” btw, is precisely what I’m talking about. You plainly refuse that is an issue for people outside the circle of the ‘most technical users’.
That has been pointed out many times, and still you (all) don’t listen.
And by the way, is not that the world comprises only Ubuntu Mom and hackers, there are gradients.

I still believe the compromise I’m pointing out in this post may at least alleviate the issue. But maybe you’re more interested in taking the conclusion as a direct offense to Canonical and deal with that ?

Don’t take bloggers too seriously, let them talk. :-)

]]> By: mpthttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35294 mpt Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:11:41 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35294 You’re not the first to say “listen to their users” when you really mean “do what their most technical users ask for”, but it’s still dishonest of you to word it that way. I spent several days in total reading and responding to feedback on this issue, and from that I picked up several good ideas for future versions. And from reading the bug report yourself you will know that much of that feedback was posted precisely *because* I was listening and responding. You’re not the first to say “listen to their users” when you really mean “do what their most technical users ask for”, but it’s still dishonest of you to word it that way. I spent several days in total reading and responding to feedback on this issue, and from that I picked up several good ideas for future versions. And from reading the bug report yourself you will know that much of that feedback was posted precisely *because* I was listening and responding.

]]> By: Stefano Forenzahttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35085 Stefano Forenza Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:44:58 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35085 @Azrael: I did ! :-) @Philipp Kern: I read so. I can't find a reference right now, though. @Azrael: I did ! :-)

@Philipp Kern: I read so. I can’t find a reference right now, though.

]]> By: Philipp Kernhttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35078 Philipp Kern Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:19:36 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35078 It's even in the release notes. So I doubt that it's "unsupported". http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Change%20in%20notifications%20of%20available%20updates It’s even in the release notes. So I doubt that it’s “unsupported”.

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Change%20in%20notifications%20of%20available%20updates

]]> By: Azraelhttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35075 Azrael Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:13:33 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35075 Why don't you post your solution to the ubuntu-devel or ayatana mailing list? Why don’t you post your solution to the ubuntu-devel or ayatana mailing list?

]]> By: Stefano Forenzahttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35052 Stefano Forenza Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:23:47 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35052 @Mark: that's not supported. That also means it will probably not be there in the next releases. @Mark: that’s not supported. That also means it will probably not be there in the next releases.

]]> By: Markhttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35049 Mark Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:22:13 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35049 Frankly, I found the easiest solution was in the Gnome Conf Editor. Go to apps->update-notifier and uncheck the auto_launch value. Goes back to the way it used to be: problem solved! Frankly, I found the easiest solution was in the Gnome Conf Editor. Go to apps->update-notifier and uncheck the auto_launch value. Goes back to the way it used to be: problem solved!

]]> By: Antonio Rojillahttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/orange-icon-we-love-you/comment-page-1/#comment-35037 Antonio Rojilla Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:53:51 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=1828#comment-35037 Amazing. All this for a notification system I have no real use for. Shame. At least your proposal makes sense. A lot of sense (and that's why I fear it won't be implemented). Amazing. All this for a notification system I have no real use for. Shame.

At least your proposal makes sense. A lot of sense (and that’s why I fear it won’t be implemented).

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