Comments on: No more Gimp for you little Joe http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/ Stefano Forenza - Personal Blog Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:31:57 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: ztzet http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-41081 ztzet Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:10:06 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-41081 Canonical has recently got a new employee. An ex-Microsoft employee who does all sorts of crazy and stupid decisions. Like using something that is not covered on a we-won't-sue promise. And is bloated compared to alternatives that are really free software. For comparing you need to compare the size of the package uninstalled. 30MB for a quick note taking app and a little photo editor! Get real!! They should remove Mono and all Mono-dependant programs immediatelly. Which will be hard because they are infested now. Canonical has recently got a new employee.
An ex-Microsoft employee who does all sorts of crazy and stupid decisions.
Like using something that is not covered on a we-won’t-sue promise.
And is bloated compared to alternatives that are really free software.
For comparing you need to compare the size of the package uninstalled.
30MB for a quick note taking app and a little photo editor! Get real!!
They should remove Mono and all Mono-dependant programs immediatelly.
Which will be hard because they are infested now.

]]> By: saulgoode http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40995 saulgoode Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:37:12 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40995 "FYI though, the combined space taken up by GIMP (76.3MiB for gimp, gimp-data, gimp-help-common, gimp-help-en) is 50% more than the space taken by both F-Spot and Tomboy (plus Mono) combined (about 49 MiB in Karmic) so it really *does* do badly on size comparisons." Your numbers are a bit off; mainly owing to the fact that space taken up by Ubuntu's gimp-data package (http://ns2.canonical.com/karmic/graphics/gimp-data) is 6.4Mb, not 34Mb as "calculated" by Ubuntu developers. “FYI though, the combined space taken up by GIMP (76.3MiB for gimp, gimp-data, gimp-help-common, gimp-help-en) is 50% more than the space taken by both F-Spot and Tomboy (plus Mono) combined (about 49 MiB in Karmic) so it really *does* do badly on size comparisons.”

Your numbers are a bit off; mainly owing to the fact that space taken up by Ubuntu’s gimp-data package (http://ns2.canonical.com/karmic/graphics/gimp-data) is 6.4Mb, not 34Mb as “calculated” by Ubuntu developers.

]]> By: Sense Hofstede http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40910 Sense Hofstede Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:13:49 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40910 The GIMP is in from totally different league than F-Spot. The GIMP is meant as a professional image editor, not as a photo manager and quick-and-dirty red eye removal tool. I agree on the decision, it makes a lot of sense. Most people I installed Ubuntu for never use it, if you do want to use it, you're probably a more advanced user and you probably know how to install it. Because it won't be removed from the repositories. Some people make it appear like that with their outraged dents and blogs, but it will still be packaged. Don't worry! The GIMP is in from totally different league than F-Spot. The GIMP is meant as a professional image editor, not as a photo manager and quick-and-dirty red eye removal tool.

I agree on the decision, it makes a lot of sense. Most people I installed Ubuntu for never use it, if you do want to use it, you’re probably a more advanced user and you probably know how to install it.

Because it won’t be removed from the repositories. Some people make it appear like that with their outraged dents and blogs, but it will still be packaged. Don’t worry!

]]> By: Jo Shields http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40840 Jo Shields Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:34:18 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40840 Oh, and Paint.NET was once, but is no longer, Free Software, so paint-mono relies on an obsolete version of the source when it was MIT/X11. Not worth packaging, at any rate. Oh, and Paint.NET was once, but is no longer, Free Software, so paint-mono relies on an obsolete version of the source when it was MIT/X11. Not worth packaging, at any rate.

]]> By: Jo Shields http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40827 Jo Shields Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:37:26 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40827 paint-mono uses WinForms because Paint.NET uses WinForms. It was picked for a quick-and-dirty port to help stress-and-bug-test the WinForms implementation of Mono. And a port was required because Paint.NET makes lots of Windows-only calls into things like user32.dll before anyone asks. And as for the GIMP, personally I'd be sad to see it go. FYI though, the combined space taken up by GIMP (76.3MiB for gimp, gimp-data, gimp-help-common, gimp-help-en) is 50% more than the space taken by both F-Spot and Tomboy (plus Mono) combined (about 49 MiB in Karmic) so it really *does* do badly on size comparisons. As to Gthumb, as has been explained more than once, replacement default apps NEED (mandatorily) to import data from their predecessors, and Gthumb doesn't have that. It may not even be possible, given Gthumb has a totally different usage paradigm to F-Spot (Folder-browser, compared to F-Spot's iPhoto-like albums approach). I'm not saying one is better than the other, as I use neither - but any F-Spot replacement NEEDS to import existing metadata that users have invested their time into. paint-mono uses WinForms because Paint.NET uses WinForms. It was picked for a quick-and-dirty port to help stress-and-bug-test the WinForms implementation of Mono. And a port was required because Paint.NET makes lots of Windows-only calls into things like user32.dll before anyone asks.

And as for the GIMP, personally I’d be sad to see it go. FYI though, the combined space taken up by GIMP (76.3MiB for gimp, gimp-data, gimp-help-common, gimp-help-en) is 50% more than the space taken by both F-Spot and Tomboy (plus Mono) combined (about 49 MiB in Karmic) so it really *does* do badly on size comparisons. As to Gthumb, as has been explained more than once, replacement default apps NEED (mandatorily) to import data from their predecessors, and Gthumb doesn’t have that. It may not even be possible, given Gthumb has a totally different usage paradigm to F-Spot (Folder-browser, compared to F-Spot’s iPhoto-like albums approach). I’m not saying one is better than the other, as I use neither – but any F-Spot replacement NEEDS to import existing metadata that users have invested their time into.

]]> By: Stefano Forenza http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40784 Stefano Forenza Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:57:32 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40784 @Tomas: the Paint.Net port wasn't really working that good (at least according to what Icaza wrote at the time). Now it may be better, but if you look in the google code repository you gave me, you'll see the last commit is almost one year ago. It doesn't really seem an active project (maybe they just gave up?) and by the way it apparently uses Windows.Form not GTK. @Tomas: the Paint.Net port wasn’t really working that good (at least according to what Icaza wrote at the time). Now it may be better, but if you look in the google code repository you gave me, you’ll see the last commit is almost one year ago. It doesn’t really seem an active project (maybe they just gave up?) and by the way it apparently uses Windows.Form not GTK.

]]> By: tomas http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40783 tomas Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:51:02 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40783 @jezra Gthumb is really one of the best image viewers + simple editor. Comparing irfanview with linux alternatives gthumb is as close as it can get. f-spot slow & bloated. @hansboit It was officially announced that definitely gnome3 won't be included in Lucid. BTW, gnome devs still consider gnome shell not stable enough to be included in next release.. @Stefano Forenza There is already Paint.Net port called Paint.Mono: http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/ http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Dec-21.html https://launchpad.net/~xmlich02/+archive/ppa @jezra
Gthumb is really one of the best image viewers + simple editor. Comparing irfanview with linux alternatives gthumb is as close as it can get. f-spot slow & bloated.

@hansboit
It was officially announced that definitely gnome3 won’t be included in Lucid. BTW, gnome devs still consider gnome shell not stable enough to be included in next release..

@Stefano Forenza
There is already Paint.Net port called Paint.Mono:
http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/
http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Dec-21.html
https://launchpad.net/~xmlich02/+archive/ppa

]]> By: hansboit http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40780 hansboit Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:56:23 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40780 Poor Ubuntu, torn into pieces by Win7 first, and now this. Hopefully Gnome3 will not be included in Lucid. That would be a total disaster. Poor Ubuntu, torn into pieces by Win7 first, and now this.
Hopefully Gnome3 will not be included in Lucid. That would be a total disaster.

]]> By: jezra http://www.stefanoforenza.com/no-more-gimp-for-you-little-joe/comment-page-1/#comment-40770 jezra Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:35:58 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2086#comment-40770 Perhaps they should have ditched f-spot, and mono for taking up too much space, and included Gthumb http://gthumb.sourceforge.net/. Perhaps they should have ditched f-spot, and mono for taking up too much space, and included Gthumb http://gthumb.sourceforge.net/.

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