Comments on: Interesting claims http://www.stefanoforenza.com/interesting-claims/ Stefano Forenza - Personal Blog Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:15:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jasonhttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/interesting-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-36433 Jason Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:12:38 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2004#comment-36433 tomas, No worries - as you might image it's a bit of a touchy spot for me, but no biggie! Thanks for hearing me out on it! tomas,

No worries – as you might image it’s a bit of a touchy spot for me, but no biggie!

Thanks for hearing me out on it!

]]> By: tomashttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/interesting-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-36430 tomas Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:01:59 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2004#comment-36430 @Jason I wasn't pointing at anyone in particular and didn't really notice that Lefty was attacking you either. I just know that people like I described do exist in OSS communities (more of them than you could even imagine) and represent the community in a really bad way. Talking about RMS, I wasn't in the audience during his presentation, but read the transcript ( http://mjg59.livejournal.com/113408.html ) that was published later and I do agree that RMS talk wasn't acceptable. Anyway, that's a different matter. @Jason
I wasn’t pointing at anyone in particular and didn’t really notice that Lefty was attacking you either. I just know that people like I described do exist in OSS communities (more of them than you could even imagine) and represent the community in a really bad way.

Talking about RMS, I wasn’t in the audience during his presentation, but read the transcript ( http://mjg59.livejournal.com/113408.html ) that was published later and I do agree that RMS talk wasn’t acceptable. Anyway, that’s a different matter.

]]> By: Jasonhttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/interesting-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-36429 Jason Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:13:27 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2004#comment-36429 tomas, Except *no-one* is doing all those things. The people Lefty listed, are just some people he doesn't like and grouped together (I was one of them), *maybe* one person is a nutbar - I won't name names - but at least one of them (me) is not. See, I have GPL projects, have contributed to other projects, use nVidia drivers myself, answer questions on the forums and IRC, don't have anything against proprietary software and have a "normal" blog that is just general Ubuntu stuff. Lefty is just plain making junk up. Lefty just doesn't like that I called him out about all that sexist nonsense and have a blog that is critical of mono (which has lots of pro- and anti-mono people posting on it, check it out and take time to read through things and see: mono-nono.com) That's why it's so easy for people to jump in and say "Oh yeah I don't like that kind of person either!" No one does! But that isn't a real person, that's some caricature that Lefty created to get his hate on. But those facts don't matter to Lefty, because he isn't interested in honesty or integrity, he's interested in taking a small issue and blowing it up into something larger than it is, tarring people that disagree with him with it, and pretending like his is some sort of courageous leader for standing up for something. So think about that. There are people that DO contribute and Lefty knows it and still attacks them. Where does that put Lefty and people who support him 100%? tomas,

Except *no-one* is doing all those things. The people Lefty listed, are just some people he doesn’t like and grouped together (I was one of them), *maybe* one person is a nutbar – I won’t name names – but at least one of them (me) is not.

See, I have GPL projects, have contributed to other projects, use nVidia drivers myself, answer questions on the forums and IRC, don’t have anything against proprietary software and have a “normal” blog that is just general Ubuntu stuff. Lefty is just plain making junk up.

Lefty just doesn’t like that I called him out about all that sexist nonsense and have a blog that is critical of mono (which has lots of pro- and anti-mono people posting on it, check it out and take time to read through things and see: mono-nono.com)

That’s why it’s so easy for people to jump in and say “Oh yeah I don’t like that kind of person either!” No one does! But that isn’t a real person, that’s some caricature that Lefty created to get his hate on.

But those facts don’t matter to Lefty, because he isn’t interested in honesty or integrity, he’s interested in taking a small issue and blowing it up into something larger than it is, tarring people that disagree with him with it, and pretending like his is some sort of courageous leader for standing up for something.

So think about that. There are people that DO contribute and Lefty knows it and still attacks them. Where does that put Lefty and people who support him 100%?

]]> By: tomashttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/interesting-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-36424 tomas Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:35:32 +0000 http://www.stefanoforenza.com/?p=2004#comment-36424 Being very active in my native ubuntu community for years, I 100% agree with Lefty. It seems you didn't get the point of his post even reading the whole thing, so let me sum up it for you. The so called community parasites are people who have done absolutely nothing noteworthy in OSS world, nobody knows them, but they are always first to criticize, point out how ubuntu isn't meeting the true (RMS) OSS ideals and shout loudest how there shouldn't be an easy way to install proprietary drivers, the "ugly" codecs or that mono must be removed. They are also the ones who, like some crazy fanatics, keep telling everyone how evil MS is and how proprietary software should be avoided at all costs and OSS should be praised. The funny thing is, they have never written anything beyond "hello world" and have no idea about the process of real software development. They are those who stick to linux not because they truely enjoy FOSS, but because they truely HATE MS. There never was and will never be (and can't be) any healthy discussion with people like that and if I ever release my own linux distro "the parasites" will not be welcomed in any discussions at all. Being very active in my native ubuntu community for years, I 100% agree with Lefty.
It seems you didn’t get the point of his post even reading the whole thing, so let me sum up it for you.
The so called community parasites are people who have done absolutely nothing noteworthy in OSS world, nobody knows them, but they are always first to criticize, point out how ubuntu isn’t meeting the true (RMS) OSS ideals and shout loudest how there shouldn’t be an easy way to install proprietary drivers, the “ugly” codecs or that mono must be removed. They are also the ones who, like some crazy fanatics, keep telling everyone how evil MS is and how proprietary software should be avoided at all costs and OSS should be praised. The funny thing is, they have never written anything beyond “hello world” and have no idea about the process of real software development. They are those who stick to linux not because they truely enjoy FOSS, but because they truely HATE MS. There never was and will never be (and can’t be) any healthy discussion with people like that and if I ever release my own linux distro “the parasites” will not be welcomed in any discussions at all.

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