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		<title>By: Bogdan Bivolaru</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/idiotic-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-26340</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogdan Bivolaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patenting the Dock… M$ once tried to get one for the double click :D

M...soft actually got one patent for their ribbon interface - Office 2k7 - not that I&#039;m using it anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patenting the Dock… M$ once tried to get one for the double click <img src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>M&#8230;soft actually got one patent for their ribbon interface &#8211; Office 2k7 &#8211; not that I&#8217;m using it anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Sense Hofstede</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/idiotic-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-26183</link>
		<dc:creator>Sense Hofstede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always found the way the patent system of the USA works. This really makes it worse. What a non-sense. Lets see if Emerald can get a patent on window borders with opacity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always found the way the patent system of the USA works. This really makes it worse. What a non-sense. Lets see if Emerald can get a patent on window borders with opacity!</p>
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		<title>By: Peng&#8217;s links for Friday, 10 October &#171; I&#8217;m Just an Avatar</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/idiotic-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-26167</link>
		<dc:creator>Peng&#8217;s links for Friday, 10 October &#171; I&#8217;m Just an Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Forenza: Idiotic Apple. Another cross post from the Ubuntu Weblogs, but Apple has received a patent for their dock. AWN [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Forenza: Idiotic Apple. Another cross post from the Ubuntu Weblogs, but Apple has received a patent for their dock. AWN [...]</p>
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		<title>By: flows</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/idiotic-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-26146</link>
		<dc:creator>flows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it wasn&#039;t that sad about global patent systems, I&#039;d probably laugh at them  (patenting the Dock... M$ once tried to get one for the double click :D)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it wasn&#8217;t that sad about global patent systems, I&#8217;d probably laugh at them  (patenting the Dock&#8230; M$ once tried to get one for the double click <img src='http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: andrewsomething</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/idiotic-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-26139</link>
		<dc:creator>andrewsomething</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far the folks on the debian-legal list serve don&#039;t see much of a threat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/10/msg00006.html

From a response to that post:

&quot;FWIW, the patent is more about zooming docks like the OSX one than plain
docks. I don&#039;t know how the different claims are to be understood
individually, but some are detailing the zoom factors with algebraic
formulas.
IANAL, but patents are not supposed to &quot;protect&quot; ideas, but
implementations. It is at least true in the hardware industry. It often
happens that companies circumvent competitor patents by implementing the
same idea in another way, sometimes even filing a patent for the new
implementation.
Maybe different implementations of the same idea would be fine.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far the folks on the debian-legal list serve don&#8217;t see much of a threat: <a href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/10/msg00006.html" rel="nofollow">http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/10/msg00006.html</a></p>
<p>From a response to that post:</p>
<p>&#8220;FWIW, the patent is more about zooming docks like the OSX one than plain<br />
docks. I don&#8217;t know how the different claims are to be understood<br />
individually, but some are detailing the zoom factors with algebraic<br />
formulas.<br />
IANAL, but patents are not supposed to &#8220;protect&#8221; ideas, but<br />
implementations. It is at least true in the hardware industry. It often<br />
happens that companies circumvent competitor patents by implementing the<br />
same idea in another way, sometimes even filing a patent for the new<br />
implementation.<br />
Maybe different implementations of the same idea would be fine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/idiotic-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-26138</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read about this on slashdot and people there kept wondering about the strange patent Apple filed. AWN and Cairo Dock probably won&#039;t be affected by this as Apple was so uncommonly specific that it apparently only protects the Apple Dock from 1:1 copies.

Part of the specs are for example the _exact_ relations in size.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177

I think we&#039;re pretty safe on this one.

On a side note, I&#039;m not a very big Apple fan myself but we shouldn&#039;t forget about their OpenSource contributions of the last couple of years.

http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about this on slashdot and people there kept wondering about the strange patent Apple filed. AWN and Cairo Dock probably won&#8217;t be affected by this as Apple was so uncommonly specific that it apparently only protects the Apple Dock from 1:1 copies.</p>
<p>Part of the specs are for example the _exact_ relations in size.</p>
<p><a href="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177" rel="nofollow">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177</a></p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re pretty safe on this one.</p>
<p>On a side note, I&#8217;m not a very big Apple fan myself but we shouldn&#8217;t forget about their OpenSource contributions of the last couple of years.</p>
<p><a href="http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicolás</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicolás</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw on youtube the Steve Jobs&#039;s stanford talk, and i loved it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw on youtube the Steve Jobs&#8217;s stanford talk, and i loved it!</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano Forenza</title>
		<link>http://www.stefanoforenza.com/idiotic-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-26125</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano Forenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot: I am not a &quot;dock&quot; user myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot: I am not a &#8220;dock&#8221; user myself.</p>
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