Really, you wouldn’t dare..
- rickspencer3 proposes pulling the gimp from the CD:
- It takes up a lot of space that we need for couchdb, etc…
- F-Spot has key features, like crop and red-eye removal
- It’s a power user tool, users shouldn’t stumble into it
- Discussion points brought up that
- The gimp currently uses 26 megs of space, 20 of which are documentation, which could be moved online
- The gimp, though not totally user friendly, is very useful, and does not require “importing” to edit
No offense to Rick Spencer but.. How reasonable is the rationale behind this ? That f-spot is enough ? Enough for what ? For laughing ?
How do I scale an image in f-spot ? If there’s a way, I have not been able to find it (same for red eyes). How do I annotate an image (putting text somewhere) ?
Yet people ask “Gimp is cool but.. should it belong to LiveCD?” I’ll give you a better question: what should belong to the LiveCD ?
Removing GIMP from the LiveCd fully defeats the showing off purpouse of the LiveCd and leaves you without any handy tool to perform even basic manipulation on images. Now, it can be just me, but I can’t find anything useful in that regard inside Jaunty’s f-spot.
I can’t see how f-spot belongs to the live cd more than the Gimp. And sure the Gimp UI sucks (at least, I hate it. Not that I love f-spot‘s though) but it can take burden of tasks that nothing else provides. Should we leave our users without even basic image manipulation, just like OS X users ? Shouldn’t Ubuntu be better than that ?
The following decision has been taken:
- The current plan of record is:
- Keep the gimp in the default install
- If we need the room, switch the gimp to online only documentation
- If we still need the room, kick it out altogether
Sanity prevailed. Sort of. I mean, I’m happy with at least the first two points of it.
I hate bringing up the old Mono issue (and my prophetic joke) every 2 minutes, but.. if you need space, why not strip 50mb of run-time ? How come it’s desirable to replace Rhythmbox with Banshee (based on minimal feature difference) and then having to strip the Gimp ?
An emergency plan would be to strip Mono, replace Banshee with Rhythmbox, replace Tomboy with Gnote (about which many untrue things have been told) and f-spot with gThumb or Solang (which is promising) and gain 40-50 mb of disk space. Not stripping the Gimp.
This is not out of Mono hate, is out of need.